we're like the pair of twins that we're born together but separated at birth and, sort of, didn't meet again until years later. >> jimmy: and you got on really well. >> but -- get on great. absolutely. he's a brilliant, brilliant actor. and i was very intimidated, you know, first meeting him. >> jimmy: helen mirren intimidated by an actor? >> well, it was the great anthony hopkins, of course. >> jimmy: true, but you're the great helen mirren. he's probably intimidated as well.. >> yeah, but i never played hannibal lecter. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's great. i didn't think about that. yeah, you're right. you're right. you're right. he's so good. >> i used to -- he's excellent in everything he does. >> jimmy: this is the basic story behind this is that hitchcock's directing "psycho." >> yes. >> jimmy: and basically you're -- you're very close partners as well as being, you know, husband/wife. >> well alma -- alma reville was hitchcock's wife. and she was very much in the shadows. but as people who know, know, she was very important in the creation of his works and, in fact, it has been